Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. Advertisement. Mudgee General Cemetery. However, if it wasnt for Victor Penaluna and D.C. Paul Rogers of the London Metropolitan Police I would have been none the wiser about the Muriel Drinkwater murder. profiling. The detectives in the programme got a breakthrough when they were able to track down Muriel's relative Martin Phillips, who had been six at the time of the murder. She was singing . "I was about nine at the time and he was about twice my age, but I felt, at nine, that I was his intellectual superior," he said. It is currently one of the oldest active cold cases in the UK. The police think that Hoyles, who as mentioned above passed Muriel on her way home, encountered Muriels killer weeks before her death. programme called Crime Secrets presented by H.T.Vs Jonathan Hill. Regards. It blighted my life. For Hoyles, and no doubt numerous other people in Penllergaer,every dollar spent bringing Muriels killer one step closer to justice has been a dollar well spent. Although he was first registered at Widdows Fulham address at Hestercombe Avenue in 1947 as Harold Jones, the following years and up until 1962 he was registered as Harry Stevens. Bethell was thrilled to discover that on the back of the coat, a no-longer visible dried semen stain was circled with yellow crayon. Bethell sent the coat toDr. Colin Dark, and over the course of three years (MUCH longer than depicted on television and in the movies) Bethell analyzed the material and was able to extract enough fragments of DNA tosuccessfully create a Y-STR profile from the semen stain. It was the 75th anniversary this year, and still we are no nearer to finding her killer. On this occasion he was rude to me claiming that he knew nothing about any information sent to South Wales Police from D.C. Paul Rogers. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. I was able to edit the comment for you before it went live. People had forgotten it was there. Great questions! Muriel Drinkwater - Swansea, 1946 On 27th June 1946, Margaret Drinkwater was making tea in the family farm house in Penllegaer near Swansea when she looked out of the window to see her daughter . Jones D.N.A was not compared to the D.N.A left on Muriels coat by the killer. Close. Find records of Muriel Drinkwater . Filmed as part of documentary Dark Land: Hunting the Killers, that is being shown on BBC Wales, the name of murderer Ronnie Harries, the last man to have been hanged in Carmarthen, has been put forward by the team that is headed by the former chief constable of Dyfed Powys Police Jackie Roberts. Her body was eventually found in a nearby lane, but it was the discovery of her handkerchief in the shops shed which saw Jones accused and stand trial for her death. This murder shook the village and all the boys came under suspicion. Muriel was seen at 2:30PM, singing as she exited the school bus. A village-wide search was swiftly underway, and at 4:30PM the following day Muriels body was located in a Japanese larch plantation near her home. Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police, The Disappearance of Audrey Moran and Jonathan Reynoso. Hi James. Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. However, in 2008, a team of retired detectives investigating cold cases found Drinkwater's clothes in storage. Was a local stalking Muriel? As part of the investigation forensic evidence has been re-examined and officers have considered theories that convicted murderer Harold Jones was . And no idea and Japanese workers. The reason given for sealing the files was that it could help the police catch the perpetrator. Just before she entered the woods she looked up to see the farm in the distance. Advertisement. This post deals with sexual assault and might be triggering for some readers. She was shot twice in the chest. The True Crime Files The Photo Request has been fulfilled. 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We can also deduce it is a average male because he must have had enough power to dominate a 12 year old girl. Born in the summer of 1933, she was the youngest of four children and lived with her parents Percy and Margaret on a small farm called Tyle-Du, near Over the years, South Wales Police have fought tooth and nail to prevent me gaining any information under the Freedom of Information Requests Act. I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest daughter of four born to Margaret and John Percival Drinkwater, a smallholder and forestry worker in Swansea, Wales. Click here to hear the Audio File of this case. They pieced together evidence from the time, used new forensic breakthroughs and links to other cases in the area to identify who they think murdered Muriel in the most horrific way. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. I had informed him that Harold Jones had been living incognito in various West London locations after his release from prison in 1941. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. The authorities went as far as to suggest that someone in the Penllergaer region knows about the murder weapon but is protecting the owner by withholding information. Have a great week! Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. It was believed the victim's clothes had been lost. "We realise whoever did this might be dead, but if he is alive and in his 80s or even 90s we would like to see him behind bars," said Muriel's great-niece Claire Phillips, speaking about developments last October. 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He must have known she was near home because she waved and if we are saying this was a planned attack he wouldve studied Muriels routine, studied her route, he was near where her route went, that is a very specific route to go in and out the forest, and with balance of probability he therefore must have known Muriel and her family business to cripple the mother to cripple the business. There are, of course, other theories regarding who was lying in wait on that fateful day. The coat had been lying forgotten in police storage for decades but after much searching was found by retired DCI Bethell's cold case team and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world. Sorry I doubled up on some of the above but cant edit it. We use your sign-up to provide content in the ways you've consented to and improve our understanding of you. There was a camp a mile away in Grovesend. Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. Can you explain please. [18] The public can no longer access the Drinkwater files by Freedom of Information Act requests or in person at the archives office in Kew. The D.N.A. This true crime happened in Penllegaer Woods on the outskirts of Swansea in 1946. He stated that I was barking up the wrong tree regarding Harold Jones having killed Muriel and finished by saying Happy Hunting before slamming the phone down on me. It is now more than 70 years since the 12-year-old schoolgirl was brutally raped, battered around the head and shot twice while walking home. It became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder - but who killed Muriel Drinkwater? 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As manager of this memorial you can add or update the memorial using the Edit button below. The True Crime Files is dedicated to all things #TrueCrime. 74 years ago, Muriel Drinkwater was murdered. Sometimes the rumours and suspicion in these unsolved cases does almost as much damage to the community as the crime itself. He also fixates on the fact that he is married to a younger woman, that she is five years younger than him, that she started going out with him when she was still in school. She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. "It does make you think that Muriel Drinkwater (who passed her 11-Plus to get into grammar school) is the sort of girl he would have been interested in. Thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world, it was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. Although an extensive investigation was conducted that involved the police visiting every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles and interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire, the case that has become known as theLittle Red Riding Hood Murder remains unsolved. We also may change the frequency you receive our emails from us in order to keep you up to date and give you the best relevant information possible. ', Glamorgan Police and men of the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit make a break for a meal during their search for evidence after her murder on June 27, 1946, Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. However in 1965 he was registered as Harry Stevens in Putney AND at the same time he rented a property in Aldensley Road Hammersmith and was also registered but using the name Harry Jones. South Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has today finally ruled out Jones - who died from cancer in 1971 - from their investigation. Muriel Drinkwater was a young Welsh schoolgirl. Learn more about managing a memorial . I agree with the killer being male and the suggested age range. I wonder if there was a sketch done when Hoyles confronted a man weeks earlier. Neil. "And we know, even though it had been 60 years since it went into storage, that it is hers. On this podcast episode, we cover the unsolved cold case of Muriel Drinkwater. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. The team are still investigating if this has any relevance to the case and are appealing for anyone with information about it to come forward. 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