Whenever you feel bad about the timing, think about all the reasons your company is giving you to want to leave, and think about what they could have done to make those reasons go away. I dunno, Im fine with most social media and Im good at PayPal but Venmo is too cool for me. Are you angry that FOX "News" purposely lied to us about the 2020 election being stolen? OP#2. Race does matter, because we live in a society where it impacts all kinds of things. If he doesnt want to trust an app, I would think at least cash should still be a legal option. I would only be leaving for something that was a real progression in my career and/or an excellent organizational fit. My apologies. Pointing out that someone coming from a place of privilege (ie being an old rich white guy) might make him blind to the burden hes putting on his employees is a valid point to make and isnt dumping on the old rich white guy.. But when I asked him to get me a muffin, he refused. (This was back in the day when bosses werent afraid to tell companies that they fired people, and they werent afraid to include the reasons, and if they didnt give the whole story, well, the potential hirers didnt care. LOL okay. Plus, you cant get paid that way if Boss doesnt use Venmo. Follow these rules to make sure lunch meetings are both fun and productive. If someone does forget cash, they get to go pick up the food so they can pay with their card there. If barbs informed by identify politics and directly targeted at an individual are mean spirited, then that cuts both ways: the LW has done exactly that in crafting a narrative about whats happening (a narrative that traffics in fundamental attribution error and that most of the commenters here have implicitly disagreed with). Its a complete falsehood that we can guess whats going on in peoples minds, and trying to do so often leads to us treating other people poorly. Its up there with the Thanks Obama nonsense when everyone was blaming him for random AF things. Or just double checking with another coworker that has handled the ordering and find out what theyve done. Not the option you use as the most junior person in the office to the CEO. "Next is conversation, when that conversation turns personal. Same here my 2017 doesnt have a CD player and I am sad. Most people in my age group have no idea what it is. If we substitute the race and gender, it sounds like a pretty harsh and jarring assessment of someone, doesnt it? Im reminded of one of my previous companies, when it was Wakeens responsibility to run errands, including picking up breakfast for Fergus, the companys owner. I wouldnt assume that your coworkers are buying the CEOs lunch. There is a real power difference in this situation, and most people rightfully take that into account. As long as you're sure your Well, hes so KIND and AWESOME for giving all of them jobsits the least they can do *rage face*, I offered other employees to start taking turns to show their appreciation. When the boss gives his order can you ask for the corporate card? 3. What if you starting thinking in best case scenarios instead?. You said hes been within earshot of conversations about paying for lunch but thats not the same as telling him he owes a certain amount. You seem really young in your career, but I can pretty much guarantee a little pro-activeness/assertiveness will resolve this issue. Obliviousness is far likelier than some hypothetical thrill. If you have to bend over backwards to come up with a reasonable explanation, its unlikely the explanation is reasonable. Which is probably a dumb reason and has nothing to do with Venmo directly, but I still wont bother using it. Totally agree. And for what its worth Im in the older end of the millennial generation, and Im still not that comfortable with Venmo. But even 15 mins of the CEOs time is still more valuable than a junior teapot analysts time. ha! THIS. I completely agree Im a young Boomer (age 55) and I have Venmo, Insta, Snapchat, etc. Either way, the LW is under the impression that it may be caused by privilege. That doesnt mean OP shouldnt be direct and just ask as Alison indicated but I can see how given the way its gone, OP has concerns that the boss might not be reasonable, because from their perspective it seems like there must be some reason why among all this obvious repayment, CEO did not participate. She can say Ive recently paid off my card and Im trying not to use it except for emergencies, s, from now on, when I order the weekly lunches, please have the cash ready so we can pay the delivery guy when he arrives with the food.. Venmo is basically just PayPal in App form, which is to say, they want to hold my hold my money without any of the protections of actually being a bank. The youngest are 55, so there are still plenty in offices. Yeah, thats a good point to keep in mind the bigger the boss, the more likely they are to rely on other people to follow up with them. At this moment, what is your strongest emotion? This is not two peers dealing with an issue. In a company of 5 I wouldnt find it at all weird if the CEO approved expenses, here its the managers job no matter how senior. If you ever feel guilty about quitting a job ask yourself this Would they hesitate to lay me off ? The answer is no. I thought he was dating so-and-so. People underestimate the power of infatuation and think they can handle temptation much better than they can. WebI think that, if a coworker likes you and buys you coffee/lunch, returning the favor does the opposite of leading them on. Repeat every single day. I have always gone out alone with male coworkers for lunch if we connected. That was going to be my suggestion. Make sure they dont add mayo! or the Tell them they cut my sandwich diagonally last time and I want it cut straight! not to mention if an order isnt correct and its my fault because didnt check all 10 sandwiches. We paid on one check with separate cards. "Many people never expect it to happen, and it ruins their lives.". I started working for this one company when I was 20. Please do some reading on it, but this isnt the place to debate it so lets leave it here. I have the app because some of my family members prefer it, but its not connected to any account. I mean, it basically up to the person whether they feel so uncomfortable that they would rather take the financial hardship than speak up. Always assumed that group lunch orders were being handled by the office manager who had the corporate card. But when I do, I collect the money beforehand. Depends on her career. He knows how much I make, but how do I gracefully make it clear that he should be expected to reimburse me like everyone else (and ideally, should do so without being prompted)? Bran $32 (you still owe me from last week), I had this come up when I was younger. They were trying to do right, but in this specific instance, they really really really shouldnt have. described a woman who first became suspicious about her husband's work spouse when she was in a bathroom stall during his office party. Also a millennial, and I refuse to use Venmo purely because one time when my credit card info was stolen, Venmo was one of the charges. Usually I'm the person to buy things for friends/crushes. The letter writer asked how do they let the CEO know hes expected to pay. You ask. So youve got to be direct. Its okay to see others as unique individuals first. If there was a text like hey, I spotted you for that drink, do you mind Venmoing me? I probably would have complied (even though its strange to charge someone after offering to buy them a drink). After the meal theres always a conversation, initiated by my colleagues, in which everyone ask me how much they owe. Its entirely possible that he knows its coming out of your pocket, but the chances of that are lower than the other options. Yep, and also were supposed to be grateful for getting a paycheck above minimum wage. Kid does not get hints at all but is great with explicit directions and stated expectations. It does look really useful but yeah I agree not ideal for this situation. Bring your own lunch until you break them of the habit of seeing you as the lunch getter. And especially if theyre not actually busier than the junior employees at that moment. 2. If you have a door you can close, close it. Paypal is very popular though. WebYes, Lakes coworker actually had the nerve to steal her lunch and then accuse her of poisoning it. I like this framing, I think it might be something the OP can adopt even as a junior person without feeling overwhelmed by the situation. I hate being the lunch getter! Probably, being a CEO, he will appreciate your initiative if you approach the conversation respectfully and frame it in terms of your problem-solving abilities. You need to do what is right for you, your career, and your family and he has been nothing but supportive. What a tool. This guy is acting like a jerk and should be DEEPLY embarrassed by his behavior. I doubt theres an admin in that small of an office (because otherwise why isnt that person ordering lunch??). (For me it was less the money and more keeping track of I want tuna salad but with peppers instead of tuna and if theyre out of peppers then I want avocado and greens, but only if theres arugula, not spinach, and if theyre out of that, my second choice is) Some offices have a super ingrained culture of ordering for everyone if you order out, and in those cases, I choose to save my political capital and just bring my own lunch. Obliviousness, indifference, or selfishness are arent the sole domain of any one race or gender. I think OP has to directly acknowledge the fact that the boss hasnt been paying. Can i grab a card putting lunch orders on your card moving forward? They'd often stay late after everyone went home to talk about the evening. It might be inconvenient, and it might be bad timing, but neither of those are reasons not to do it. Fascinating. My last boss was this way too. so I can use that option. It sounds like OP is the admin (or at least takes on the admin responsibilities). With a seemingly hands-off, fairly oblivious CEO there may be someone who is his right-hand employee that can give advice. That doesnt mean all rich, white men or white men in general are ignorant. Caviar has this option, also, if you are in a place that they operate. Doesnt he review the credit card statements and notice that theres no Jims Steakout charge, ever?). :). Therearepeople who would try that, but theyre relatively rare. Still, the husband couldn't bring himself to fire the manager. If the boss even has an assistant, that would be a good person to ask, but in an office of 5 people, maybe he doesnt have one. What good is personality when you're not physically attracted to a woman? Then provide him his total. I had kept track of how many lunches I covered for my boss. I think it can depend on what kind of ordering it is. OP in the future get a way to pay that isnt your card before placing the order. Not! I hope for the OPs sake Im wrong. This. We knew that we would have to fight extra hard for jobs because of a traffic jam in the generation ahead of us. I hate it so much that at my last job, I kept snacks in my desk so even if I forgot my packed lunch, I didnt need to order out. ", Having a best friend at the office to confide in can be a positive -- sometimes even necessary -- element of work, said Jacqueline Olds, a psychoanalyst and associate clinical professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. You need to speak to one of them or all of them, and say you simply arent going to order lunch anymore until this has been cleared up. I would feel embarrassed and bad if this happened to me (Im a boss) or even if this happened with friends when I didnt know I owed. Just say it casually. But there are good reasons to not Venmo that doesnt make one a Luddite. update: how can I turn down training requests from my clients? The only acceptable explanation here, IMO, is if the CEO assumes stuff is being ordered on a company card (and since its a small org, this even sounds unlikely. I get that you suspect that theyre paying for him, but is it possible that they arent and they know something you dont about how to get the money? But if he IS one if those people we absolutely want to hear about it in the updates! I would say the more people he does it for, the more likely it is that he sees you only as a friend. Girls, What are the Ways for Men to Say They Care About You? I would still have to do expense reports and reimbursement, so I just use mine (fortunate to have an accounting team that reimburses expenses within one week) for the points/rewards. Wait. Harley said he's counseling a bank president who has had a work affair even though he has a long history of firing people for having affairs. Just because its above minimum wage doesnt mean that all of lifes expenses are covered with a lot of wiggle room to spare for everyone. He was always embarrassed and quick to pay up when he found out he was in error. Im a boomer also, and have been using computers since the mid-80s, with a STEM degree and 20+ years in tech fields, including programming. "If you work with someone daily, watching each other's backs, helping each other with the problems of life, I wouldn't say a romantic relationship is inevitable, but it sure is highly probable," Harley said. He says he just wants to be friends, but he acts otherwise. The options are endless. I think he got embarrassed. Very high poverty rate, one of nations highest suicide rates, early mortality rates, low access to physical and mental health care, low wages, higher taxes, big meth and opioid problem, etc. 2) Not making multiple stops. I mean if theyre gonna do this money back and forth thing they need to make it easy-ish on everyone else. Let him know he owes you money, and assume that if hes not a monster, that will take care of it. month. Millennial who is also on the anti-Venmo train. We split it amongst the rest of the group. Of course the obvious question is whats next if he wont pay or acts like he will be never does which makes it even more difficult. Assume as the junior person you are responsible for following up with the CEO on CEOs obligations, and provide a clear reminder: Hi boss! He may figure that youre expensing the meals or that his assistant is taking care of it or who knows what! I supervise a manager who falsified an employee write-up but I dont think she should be fired, getting out of shared intern housing, why are so many executives condescending, and more, interviewer fake-rejected me to see if I would fight for the job. That would normally be the bookkeepers job (and they probably have a bookkeeper, even if its outsourced). see poll ( Coach I don't mind if you pay for everything since I know you got it ). True though, this was a small company of 10 people! When we tried Venmo, the person who paid was always short changed at the end of the process. Its really not reasonable to expect the person making the least amount of money to front the expense for everyones meals, even if its a fairly immediate reimbursement. Alternatively, I have a close friend who is a junior assistant to the CEO of a large arts organization. I capped out at an Original Nintendo and had cassette tapes in my car until I wrecked it and only then did I get a car without a tape deck, lol. And no manager worth doing that for would ever want you to. Dont tell me that Fergus thought that Wakeen was using a company card. In fact, its their job to act that way after a certain level. Also, it seems like every co-worker is trying to pay her back ASAP, except the CEO, so Im not sure there is a hassle of chasing people; it seems like the OP wants to keep using her card and is just looking for advice on getting the CEO to reimburse her in a more timely fashion. Ive encountered rich people like this, instead of being generous (or even decent) they excuse themselves when the restaurant bill arrives or bluster do you know who I AM! Also, overall: Im not going to use a finance transfer system thats based on an app, because I know that the internet security on your phone can easily be much less rigorous than that on your average computer with an average household antivirus. It wont help your career. Now he doesnt worry about being hacked. Even though he was never hacked first place. What skin pigmentation a person has is irrelevant. Why would the CEO review the credit card statements? I think the OP should stop putting these lunches on her credit card and just pay with cash when the order arrives. Sansa $11 They Give Compliments. For OP and anyone else located in a major metro area there is a great app called ritual that allows everyone to pay for and place their individual order from their account and then have just one or two people go pick it up. Whenever you get a chance, you can send me your portion via paypal/venmo/zelle. So Wakeen had to pay for Fergus muffin out of his own pocket. I wouldnt use it again after something like that if it happened to me either. (*And* female.). Yes the company CC is a good request, and really, they should have one since there are only five people in the office theyd have to worry about. Thats not to say I cant send you digital funds my bank can do it. Yeah, not everyone carries around cash, but if he knows hes going out to eat, he should be able to withdraw some in advance. He assumed some sort of automation based on preferences and valued customer status. Hell. ", The problem, Olds said, is when that close friendship is with someone of the sex you're attracted to. And many of us figured out in middle school Social Studies class that there would be a funding-vs-population problem with Social Security just when we started thinking about retirement. Wash your hands of it as soon as you can. If I thought for minute that one of my employees was making assumptions about my technical acumen based on my age, that would be very career-limiting for her indeed. Once youve paid for it and and the food is eaten, theres basically no incentive for people to remember to pay you other than moral compunction. This whole situation reminds me of other questions weve discussed here on AAM about the power dynamics of who gets asked to do coffee runs and lunch orders for the whole office. I would have expensed it just to see what would happen. Best movie fights in each category: Male vs Male, Male vs. WebDuring lunch, he mentioned in passing that he cooked frogs legs for his adobo. As in, Okay, with your share of the tip, your lunch will be $17. Or immediately afterward, say to him, Joe, yours is $17. No, thats a pretty valid reason IMO. What's a good comeback when someone jokingly calls you old? Why, if they are present when multiple frequent conversations are going on about repayment, would you think the CEO doesnt know exactly what is going on? After a couple of times doing this, my boss (who generally was NOT an A-hole) said to me that it was tacky Id ask him to pay, because Im fortunate to be employed at a great company and he often treats us for lunches, happy hours, and other fancy dinners. I dont assume any good or bad intentions on the part of the CEO, but the letter writer seems to be. Our cafeteria is not too bad, but the food tends to be contain the cheaper carbs such as white rice, white pasta, or potatoes that if youre dieting, youre constantly told not to eat, so I only get stuff from there a couple of times a month. Because weve changed our communication style at home to accommodate, its spilled over into other areas of life as well. A simple conversation like I am unable to put these expenses on my debit card today can you give me the business credit card for the order? would be an easy solution, if applicable. He's never had a girlfriend before if that helps make it easier to guess if its more thand a friend type of thing right? Its much more likely that they already know that you should be getting the bosss corporate card or the people who are secretly working multiple full-time jobs from home, future manager is a bigoted jerk, boss hasnt paid me back, and more, weekend open thread February 18-19, 2023. I just dont see the point in the even changing options for money transfering. If you really want to generate good will, you could offer to be available for a phone call or two with your replacement after you leave, but even that is optional. Ask me how I know that this will work. 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